Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Bosnian term or phrase:
telhid
English translation:
in mourning / observing funeral rites
Added to glossary by
A Word For I (X)
Nov 19, 2010 06:57
13 yrs ago
Bosnian term
telhid
Bosnian to English
Other
Religion
- ovaj mehdžid telhid
ili
- [ljudi] koji su na telhidu
ili
- [ljudi] koji su na telhidu
Proposed translations
(English)
2 +1 | in mourning | A Word For I (X) |
References
telhid ili tevhid? | Anira |
Change log
Nov 25, 2010 08:43: A Word For I (X) changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/909191">LEXpert's</a> old entry - "telhid"" to ""in mourning""
Nov 25, 2010 08:44: A Word For I (X) changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/19919">A Word For I (X)'s</a> old entry - "telhid"" to ""in mourning / observing funeral rites""
Proposed translations
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in mourning
refers to Muslim burial rites and custom - mourning, ablutions, shrouding, etc. - the community is in mourning -
تلحيد = Tlhaid (Google translation) - this would be a possible transliteration of your term, due to the particular morphology of semitic languages - triconsonantal root system with long vowels written, but short vowels not written - there is quite a bit of leeway for interpreting the vowelling of the root words. It would pay to be an advanced speaker of several Arabic dialects to zero in on this. Google translations provides this transliteration of your source term - the translations leave much human editing to be desired though.
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الوعظ عند** تلحيد** الميت بدعة = When preaching heresy **Tlhaid** Dead
Shaykh Ibn'Uthaymeen Almighty God's mercy: that I see that this is not a year because it was narrated from the Prophet peace be upon him, or from his companions may Allah be pleased with them, and very often there is that peace be upon him out once at the funeral of a man from the Ansar sat, and the people sat around waiting for him Even lahd, and tell them peace be upon him about the human condition at the death and after the burial (1), as well as the cam once at the grave of a buried, he said: (What's one of you but has written his place in Paradise and seat of the fire ...)( 2) but does not have their orator, standing as it does some people, but tell them the interview board did not take always, for example, if a person sat down and around the people in the cemetery waiting and talked such talk is not good, one of the year but that is based preaching that is not part of year. ...
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حالة الميت في القبر **تلحيد** الميت قراة تلحيد الميت نزول الميت للقبر **التلحيد** حالات الميت نزول الميت القبر تلحيد الميت القبر الميت في قبره = The case of the deceased in the grave **Tlhaid** read **Tlhaid** Dead Dead Dead descent to the grave *Allhaid* cases the descent of the Dead Dead Dead Grave Grave **Tlhaid** dead in his grave
بقيت لوحدى والقبر مكشوف فلابد من نزولى **لتلحيده** وتوجيهه الى القبله وحل الاربطه. = It is just me and the grave must be exposed to a downward **Tlhaidh** off to kiss solving ligaments.
Mesjid - Mosque
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Istiqlal Mosque (Mesjid Istiqlal)
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Attraction type: Religious site
http://islam.about.com/cs/elderly/a/funerals.htm
Islamic Funeral Rites
Care for the dying, funeral prayers, burial, and mourning
...
Washing and Shrouding
In preparation for burial, the family or other members of the community will wash and shroud the body. (If the deceased was killed as a martyr, this step is not performed; martyrs are buried in the clothes they died in.) The deceased will be washed respectfully, with clean and scented water, in a manner similar to how Muslims make ablutions for prayer. The body will then be wrapped in sheets of clean, white cloth (called the kafan).
Funeral Prayers
The deceased is then transported to the site of the funeral prayers (salat-l-janazah). These prayers are commonly held outdoors, in a courtyard or public square, not inside the mosque. The community gathers, and the imam (prayer leader) stands in front of the deceased, facing away from the worshippers. The funeral prayer is similar in structure to the five daily prayers, with a few variations. (For example, there is no bowing or prostration, and the entire prayer is said silently but for a few words.)
Burial
The deceased is then taken to the cemetery for burial (al-dafin). While all members of the community attend the funeral prayers, only the men of the community accompany the body to the gravesite. It is preferred for a Muslim to be buried where he or she died, and not be transported to another location or country (which may cause delays or require embalming the body).
...
More Information
A complete discussion of death and burial rites in Islam is given in the Authentic, Step-by-Step, Illustrated Janazah Guide by brother Mohamed Siala, published by IANA. This guide discusses all aspects of a proper Islamic burial: what to do when a Muslim dies, details of how to wash and shroud the deceased, how to perform the funeral prayers and the burial. This guide also dispels many myths and cultural traditions that are not based in Islam.
http://mortuarytransport.com/muslim-funeral-customs/
...
Washing and Shrouding
In preparation for burial, the family or other members of the community will wash and shroud the body. (If the deceased was killed as a martyr, this step is not performed; martyrs are buried in the clothes they died in.) The deceased will be washed respectfully, with clean and scented water, in a manner similar to how Muslims make ablutions for prayer. The body will then be wrapped in sheets of clean, white cloth (called the kafan).
Funeral Prayers
The deceased is then transported to the site of the funeral prayers (salat-l-janazah). *These prayers are commonly held outdoors, in a courtyard or public square, not inside the mosque. The community gathers, and the imam (prayer leader) stands in front of the deceased, facing away from the worshippers.* The funeral prayer is similar in structure to the five daily prayers, with a few variations. (For example, there is no bowing or prostration, and the entire prayer is said silently but for a few words.)
Burial
The deceased is then taken to the cemetery for burial (al-dafin). While all members of the community attend the funeral prayers, only the men of the community accompany the body to the gravesite. It is preferred for a Muslim to be buried where he or she died, and not be transported to another location or country (which may cause delays or require embalming the body). If available, a cemetery (or section of one) set aside for Muslims is preferred. The deceased is laid in the grave (without a coffin if permitted by local law) on his or her right side, facing Mecca. At the gravesite, it is discouraged for people to erect tombstones, elaborate markers, or put flowers or other momentos. Rather, one should humbly remember Allah and His mercy, and pray for the deceased.
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According to this last the prayers are held by preference outdoors - "These prayers are commonly held outdoors, in a courtyard or public square, not inside the mosque. The community gathers, and the imam (prayer leader) stands in front of the deceased, facing away from the worshippers."
-- So, I believe the community is in mourning, not necessarily in the mosque itself, but in a common space outside. - I'll have to check on something here, but that is my belief of first impression.
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Note added at 5 hrs (2010-11-19 12:38:05 GMT)
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Maybe - Those in mourning / people (who are) in mourning - for "ljudi ... "
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Note added at 4 days (2010-11-23 07:50:12 GMT) Post-grading
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re - spelling
توحيد = Tawheed = Monotheism
http://www.2muslims.com/cgi-bin/dictionary/csvread.pl?letter...
Tawheed
monotheism; affirmation of the Oneness of God. Muslims regard this as the first part of the Pillar of Islam, the second part is accepting Muhammad as Messenger. The opposite of Tawheed is shirk --> Shirk - idolatry; polytheism; the sin of believing in any divinity except Allah and of associating other gods with Allah.
http://www.islamfortoday.com/glossary.htm
Tawheed: Belief in or affirmation of the Oneness of God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawhid
Tawhid (Arabic: توحيد tawḥīd "doctrine of Oneness [of God ]"; also transliterated Tawheed and Tauheed) is the concept of monotheism in Islam.[1] It holds God (Arabic: Allah) is one (wāḥid) and unique (ahad).
http://www.jannah.org/articles/islam1.html
Tauhid ( Islamic Monotheism ) ...
(B) Oneness of the Worship of Allah ; Tauhid-al-Uluhiya : To
believe that none has the right to be worshiped [ e.g. praying,
invoking, asking for help (from the unseen), swearing,
slaughtering sacrifices, giving charity, fasting, pilgrimage,
etc. ] but Allah.
تلحيد = Tlhaid (Google translation) - this would be a possible transliteration of your term, due to the particular morphology of semitic languages - triconsonantal root system with long vowels written, but short vowels not written - there is quite a bit of leeway for interpreting the vowelling of the root words. It would pay to be an advanced speaker of several Arabic dialects to zero in on this. Google translations provides this transliteration of your source term - the translations leave much human editing to be desired though.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&u=http://w...
الوعظ عند** تلحيد** الميت بدعة = When preaching heresy **Tlhaid** Dead
Shaykh Ibn'Uthaymeen Almighty God's mercy: that I see that this is not a year because it was narrated from the Prophet peace be upon him, or from his companions may Allah be pleased with them, and very often there is that peace be upon him out once at the funeral of a man from the Ansar sat, and the people sat around waiting for him Even lahd, and tell them peace be upon him about the human condition at the death and after the burial (1), as well as the cam once at the grave of a buried, he said: (What's one of you but has written his place in Paradise and seat of the fire ...)( 2) but does not have their orator, standing as it does some people, but tell them the interview board did not take always, for example, if a person sat down and around the people in the cemetery waiting and talked such talk is not good, one of the year but that is based preaching that is not part of year. ...
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&u=http://w...
حالة الميت في القبر **تلحيد** الميت قراة تلحيد الميت نزول الميت للقبر **التلحيد** حالات الميت نزول الميت القبر تلحيد الميت القبر الميت في قبره = The case of the deceased in the grave **Tlhaid** read **Tlhaid** Dead Dead Dead descent to the grave *Allhaid* cases the descent of the Dead Dead Dead Grave Grave **Tlhaid** dead in his grave
بقيت لوحدى والقبر مكشوف فلابد من نزولى **لتلحيده** وتوجيهه الى القبله وحل الاربطه. = It is just me and the grave must be exposed to a downward **Tlhaidh** off to kiss solving ligaments.
Mesjid - Mosque
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g294229-d379310...
Istiqlal Mosque (Mesjid Istiqlal)
...
Traveler Advice on Istiqlal Mosque (Mesjid Istiqlal)
Traveler Description: Indonesia's largest mosque is a sacred place of worship as well as a center for conferences, lectures and seminars.
Familiar with Istiqlal Mosque (Mesjid Istiqlal)? Write your own description and share what you know with other travelers.
Attraction type: Religious site
http://islam.about.com/cs/elderly/a/funerals.htm
Islamic Funeral Rites
Care for the dying, funeral prayers, burial, and mourning
...
Washing and Shrouding
In preparation for burial, the family or other members of the community will wash and shroud the body. (If the deceased was killed as a martyr, this step is not performed; martyrs are buried in the clothes they died in.) The deceased will be washed respectfully, with clean and scented water, in a manner similar to how Muslims make ablutions for prayer. The body will then be wrapped in sheets of clean, white cloth (called the kafan).
Funeral Prayers
The deceased is then transported to the site of the funeral prayers (salat-l-janazah). These prayers are commonly held outdoors, in a courtyard or public square, not inside the mosque. The community gathers, and the imam (prayer leader) stands in front of the deceased, facing away from the worshippers. The funeral prayer is similar in structure to the five daily prayers, with a few variations. (For example, there is no bowing or prostration, and the entire prayer is said silently but for a few words.)
Burial
The deceased is then taken to the cemetery for burial (al-dafin). While all members of the community attend the funeral prayers, only the men of the community accompany the body to the gravesite. It is preferred for a Muslim to be buried where he or she died, and not be transported to another location or country (which may cause delays or require embalming the body).
...
More Information
A complete discussion of death and burial rites in Islam is given in the Authentic, Step-by-Step, Illustrated Janazah Guide by brother Mohamed Siala, published by IANA. This guide discusses all aspects of a proper Islamic burial: what to do when a Muslim dies, details of how to wash and shroud the deceased, how to perform the funeral prayers and the burial. This guide also dispels many myths and cultural traditions that are not based in Islam.
http://mortuarytransport.com/muslim-funeral-customs/
...
Washing and Shrouding
In preparation for burial, the family or other members of the community will wash and shroud the body. (If the deceased was killed as a martyr, this step is not performed; martyrs are buried in the clothes they died in.) The deceased will be washed respectfully, with clean and scented water, in a manner similar to how Muslims make ablutions for prayer. The body will then be wrapped in sheets of clean, white cloth (called the kafan).
Funeral Prayers
The deceased is then transported to the site of the funeral prayers (salat-l-janazah). *These prayers are commonly held outdoors, in a courtyard or public square, not inside the mosque. The community gathers, and the imam (prayer leader) stands in front of the deceased, facing away from the worshippers.* The funeral prayer is similar in structure to the five daily prayers, with a few variations. (For example, there is no bowing or prostration, and the entire prayer is said silently but for a few words.)
Burial
The deceased is then taken to the cemetery for burial (al-dafin). While all members of the community attend the funeral prayers, only the men of the community accompany the body to the gravesite. It is preferred for a Muslim to be buried where he or she died, and not be transported to another location or country (which may cause delays or require embalming the body). If available, a cemetery (or section of one) set aside for Muslims is preferred. The deceased is laid in the grave (without a coffin if permitted by local law) on his or her right side, facing Mecca. At the gravesite, it is discouraged for people to erect tombstones, elaborate markers, or put flowers or other momentos. Rather, one should humbly remember Allah and His mercy, and pray for the deceased.
----
According to this last the prayers are held by preference outdoors - "These prayers are commonly held outdoors, in a courtyard or public square, not inside the mosque. The community gathers, and the imam (prayer leader) stands in front of the deceased, facing away from the worshippers."
-- So, I believe the community is in mourning, not necessarily in the mosque itself, but in a common space outside. - I'll have to check on something here, but that is my belief of first impression.
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Note added at 5 hrs (2010-11-19 12:38:05 GMT)
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Maybe - Those in mourning / people (who are) in mourning - for "ljudi ... "
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 4 days (2010-11-23 07:50:12 GMT) Post-grading
--------------------------------------------------
re - spelling
توحيد = Tawheed = Monotheism
http://www.2muslims.com/cgi-bin/dictionary/csvread.pl?letter...
Tawheed
monotheism; affirmation of the Oneness of God. Muslims regard this as the first part of the Pillar of Islam, the second part is accepting Muhammad as Messenger. The opposite of Tawheed is shirk --> Shirk - idolatry; polytheism; the sin of believing in any divinity except Allah and of associating other gods with Allah.
http://www.islamfortoday.com/glossary.htm
Tawheed: Belief in or affirmation of the Oneness of God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawhid
Tawhid (Arabic: توحيد tawḥīd "doctrine of Oneness [of God ]"; also transliterated Tawheed and Tauheed) is the concept of monotheism in Islam.[1] It holds God (Arabic: Allah) is one (wāḥid) and unique (ahad).
http://www.jannah.org/articles/islam1.html
Tauhid ( Islamic Monotheism ) ...
(B) Oneness of the Worship of Allah ; Tauhid-al-Uluhiya : To
believe that none has the right to be worshiped [ e.g. praying,
invoking, asking for help (from the unseen), swearing,
slaughtering sacrifices, giving charity, fasting, pilgrimage,
etc. ] but Allah.
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Comment: "Thanks to all for your help! With all the possible spelling variants for transliterations of Islamic terms from Arabic to Bosnian to English it's difficult to hit upon the right one to search for when looking for references."
Reference comments
12 hrs
Reference:
telhid ili tevhid?
Da nije stamparska greska ? Meni prije lici na tevhid, ako se radi o bosanskom jeziku. (Pitanje je bilo na prozu prije nekoliko dana). U tom slucaju najblize znacenje bi bilo "mourning prayer" .
Abdulah Skaljic u Turcizmi u spskohrvatskom jeziku ovako to prevodi: Muslimanski pomen za mrtve koji se sastoji u grupnom ucenju poboznih izreka i molitava.
Obicno se uci u kuci umrle osobe na dan sahrane, na sedminu, cetrdesetinu, na pola godine ili godinu.
Obratite paznju, medjutim, i na drugo znacenje.
Prema istom izvoru, tevhid moze biti i : grupno dervisko ucenje poboznih izreka koje se vrsi sjedeci u krugu.
Abdulah Skaljic u Turcizmi u spskohrvatskom jeziku ovako to prevodi: Muslimanski pomen za mrtve koji se sastoji u grupnom ucenju poboznih izreka i molitava.
Obicno se uci u kuci umrle osobe na dan sahrane, na sedminu, cetrdesetinu, na pola godine ili godinu.
Obratite paznju, medjutim, i na drugo znacenje.
Prema istom izvoru, tevhid moze biti i : grupno dervisko ucenje poboznih izreka koje se vrsi sjedeci u krugu.
Note from asker:
U neposrednom izvorniku ipak stoji "telhid", ali obzirom na - kako bi to rekao - narav "praizvornika" (koji mi nije dostupan), ne moze se iskljuciti mogucnost greske u prepisivanju. |
Discussion
In other words, I suppose, they observe the proper Islamic monotheistic practice - and not any other polytheistic or otherwise blasphemous alternative practice.
Also, thanks for your vote of confidence and you're quite welcome.
It does seem a bit like "The Garden of Forking Paths" in its own right.