Nov 21, 2018 21:59
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French term

juge d'instruction directeur

French to English Law/Patents Law (general) the courts
What is the English term for "directeur" here? I am assuming that the person is in a capacity above the examining magistrate but unsure if it is manager/director/senior etc.

Many thanks for your help!

Leila
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Nov 21, 2018 23:18: Yolanda Broad changed "Term asked" from "juge d\\\'instruction directeur" to "juge d\'instruction directeur "

Discussion

B D Finch Nov 23, 2018:
@Daryo Why turn a judge into a magistrate? Note that in my first reference (a Luxembourg one), they mention both "le juge d'instruction directeur" and "le magistrat", which might just indicate a difference between "juge" and "magistrat".
Daryo Nov 23, 2018:
@ AllegroTrans I find calling "juge d'instruction" a judge more misleading, as they do not do any "judging" = deciding a case; if you add "investigating" you cannot confuse an "investigating magistrate" with a "magistrate" from an English court that doesn't engage in any "investigating".
AllegroTrans Nov 22, 2018:
@ BD Yep, that was me! Probably in my earlier existence. But since the French/Letzebuersch juge has supervisory powers over police investigations and the English magistrate has nothing remotely equivalent, it's best to stick to "judge" in the translation. I am very uncertain about this "directeur" though. Clearly a senior of some kind.
B D Finch Nov 22, 2018:
@AllegroTrans I noticed that you had, at the time, suggested "magistrate" in answer to one of those previous questions, but agree that it's not equivalent.
AllegroTrans Nov 22, 2018:
@ BD Good references but "judge" shouild be used - "magistrate" is an English term with no equivalence in France/Luxembourg
Jennifer White Nov 22, 2018:
Maria See discussion below.
Maria Iglesia Ramos Nov 22, 2018:
@Leila Another option is senior examining magistrate. I hope this helps.
Leila Howden (asker) Nov 22, 2018:
Thanks Maria!
Thanks Marco I hadn't found any with the "directeur" part in earlier searches not sure why.
Allegro Trans thank you good point to note.
Ph-b yes that is perfect it is Luxembourg.
Thanks for your help everyone!
ph-b (X) Nov 22, 2018:
Luxembourg? Articles 54 and 55 of Luxembourg’s Code de procédure pénale describe juge d’instruction directeur as a kind of senior examining magistrate with powers to appoint, change, etc. (lower ranking?) examining magistrates: http://legilux.public.lu/eli/etat/leg/code/procedure_penale/...
AllegroTrans Nov 22, 2018:
Asker I would not use "examining magistrate". Judges in France and Luxembourg are not called magistrates.
Marco Solinas Nov 21, 2018:
Several entries in the glossary There are several entries i the glossary.

Proposed translations

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leading (/ chief / directing) investigating magistrate

directeur = similar to a company "director" - directing the activities of the other "juges d'instruction" from the same tribunal, the "leader" of the group, the "chief" ... it's a designation of a functional role NOT of "seniority".

I don't think that "investigating magistrate" could lead to a confusion with the "magistrates" from English courts - the addition of "investigating" should avoid any possible confusion. There is always the option of "investigating judge".


Examining magistrate

In an inquisitorial system of law, the examining magistrate (also called investigating magistrate, inquisitorial magistrate, or investigating judge), is a judge who carries out pre-trial investigations into allegations of crime and in some cases makes a recommendation for prosecution. The exact role and standing of examining magistrates varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction; common duties and powers of the examining magistrate include overseeing ongoing criminal investigations, issuing search warrants, authorizing wiretaps, making decisions on pretrial detention, interrogating the accused person, questioning witnesses, examining evidence, and compiling a dossier of evidence in preparation for trial. Examining magistrates have an important role in the French judiciary, and are also a feature of the Spanish, Dutch, Belgian and Greek criminal justice systems, although the extent of the examining magistrate's role has generally diminished over time. Several countries, including Switzerland, Germany, Portugal, and Italy, have abolished the position of examining magistrate outright.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Examining_magistrate

Code de procédure pénale, Journal officiel du Grand-Duché de Luxembourg

Art. 54. (L. 16 juin 1989)
Lorsqu'il existe dans un tribunal plusieurs juges d'instruction, le juge d'instruction directeur ou en cas d'empêchement le magistrat qui le remplace désigne, pour chaque information, le juge qui en sera chargé.

(L. 10 juillet 2011) Lorsque la gravité ou la complexité de l’affaire le justifie, il peut adjoindre au juge d’instruction chargé de l’information un ou plusieurs juges d’instruction qu’il désigne, soit dès l’ouverture de l’information, soit sur la demande ou avec l’accord du juge chargé de l’information, à tout moment de la procédure.

Art. 55. (L. 16 juin 1989)

(1) Le dessaisissement du juge d'instruction au profit d'un autre juge d'instruction peut être demandé au juge d'instruction directeur, dans l'intérêt d'une bonne administration de la justice, par requête motivée du procureur d'Etat, agissant soit spontanément, soit à la demande de l'inculpé ou de la partie civile.

(2) Le juge d'instruction directeur doit statuer dans les huit jours par une ordonnance qui ne sera pas susceptible de voies de recours.

(3) En cas d'empêchement du juge saisi, par suite de congé de maladie ou pour toute autre cause, de même qu'en cas de nomination à un autre poste, il est procédé par le juge d'instruction directeur, ainsi qu'il est dit à l'article précédent, à la désignation du juge d'instruction chargé de le remplacer.

(4) Toutefois, en cas d'urgence et pour des actes isolés, tout juge d'instruction peut suppléer un autre juge d'instruction du même tribunal, à charge par lui de rendre compte immédiatement au juge d'instruction directeur.

http://legilux.public.lu/eli/etat/leg/code/procedure_penale/...


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this "juge d'instruction directeur" is probably also dealing with his own cases, as would any "juge d'instruction" tout court,
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when acting as "juge d'instruction directeur" this "directeur" is only supervising the work of the whole team - allocating/reallocating cases, deciding about complaints/requests concerning other "juges d'instruction" etc, i.e.only acting as a team leader, not getting directly involved in other team members' cases.
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French term (edited): juge d\'instruction directeur

seniior judge of inquiry

Una opción.

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Note added at 13 horas (2018-11-22 11:43:19 GMT)
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I apologize for the typo in 'senior'. I will amend the entry when I have a chance which will be upon grading by the asker.
Peer comment(s):

neutral writeaway : Una opción? This is Fr-En for starters. Any refs to back this?? It's customary to back such answers with references.
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agree Ben Gaia : Y viva espana!
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Thank you so much!
neutral B D Finch : Besides the spelling mistake, that just doesn't look like English as she is spoke.//There's nothing syntactically wrong with "senior judge of inquiry", it's just what might be described as "cloth-eared", i.e. not a natural turn of phrase.
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neutral Jennifer White : agree with BD. This wouldn't be used and can't understand Ben's "agree"
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disagree Daryo : Y viva espana! Interesting linguistic argument ... and very convincing references! // in fact "senior" is not quite right - "senior" = simply many years of experience, NOT NECESSARILY any kind of "leading role" (bureaucracy for beginners, p.1 ...)
1 day 17 hrs
thank you
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investigating judge in charge of the case

http://legilux.public.lu/eli/etat/leg/code/procedure_penale/...
"Lorsqu'il existe dans un tribunal plusieurs juges d'instruction, le juge d'instruction directeur ou en cas d'empêchement le magistrat qui le remplace désigne, pour chaque information, le juge qui en sera chargé."

The fact that the above also mentions a "magistrat" is further reason to call the "juge d'instruction" a judge and not a magistrate.

https://www.lemonde.fr/le-monde-in-english/
Le Monde has had access to the hearing of the American reality TV star before the French investigating judge in charge of the inquiry into the hold up of which ...

https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_rights_of_victims_of_cri...
Jul 4, 2018 - to apply to the investigating judge in charge of the case to be recognised as a civil party seeking damages (constitution de partie civile)

https://www.peacepalacelibrary.nl/ebooks/files/IN_22.pdf
Sep 14, 2000 - the investigating judge in charge of the case ordered his pre-trial ...... Under Luxembourg law regarding appeals on points of law, the Court of ...
Peer comment(s):

agree GILLES MEUNIER
3 days 15 hrs
Thanks Gilou
disagree Daryo : if you check the whole of the first reference, "le juge d'instruction directeur" is not directly in charge of any specific case in that capacity, but is in charge of "directing" the work of the whole of his team of "juges instruction"
8 days
That's exactly the role of a judge in charge of a case!
agree Yvonne Gallagher
17 days
Thanks Yvonne
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