Off topic: How to improve people’s lives at $1/hour? Thread poster: Lingua 5B
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Lingua 5B 
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The data labelers employed by Sama on behalf of OpenAI were paid a take-home wage of between around $1.32 and $2 per hour depending on seniority and performance. For this story, TIME reviewed hundreds of pages of internal Sama and OpenAI documents, including workers’ payslips, and interviewed four Sama employees who worked on the project. All the employees spoke on condition of anonymity out of concern for their livelihoods.
... See more The data labelers employed by Sama on behalf of OpenAI were paid a take-home wage of between around $1.32 and $2 per hour depending on seniority and performance. For this story, TIME reviewed hundreds of pages of internal Sama and OpenAI documents, including workers’ payslips, and interviewed four Sama employees who worked on the project. All the employees spoke on condition of anonymity out of concern for their livelihoods.
Interesting read: https://time.com/6247678/openai-chatgpt-kenya-workers/ ▲ Collapse
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One Sama worker tasked with reading and labeling text for OpenAI told TIME he suffered from recurring visions after reading a graphic description of [something graphic]. “That was torture,” he said. “You will read a number of statements like that all through the week. By the time it gets to Friday, you are disturbed from thinking through that picture.” The work’s traumatic nature eventually led Sama to cancel all its work for OpenAI in February 2022, eight mont... See more One Sama worker tasked with reading and labeling text for OpenAI told TIME he suffered from recurring visions after reading a graphic description of [something graphic]. “That was torture,” he said. “You will read a number of statements like that all through the week. By the time it gets to Friday, you are disturbed from thinking through that picture.” The work’s traumatic nature eventually led Sama to cancel all its work for OpenAI in February 2022, eight months earlier than planned.
This is why I stopped doing these types of jobs very soon after I accepted one or two of them. Few people remain unaffected by such imagery, especially if your job is to evaluate it.
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I'm not defending the outsourcing of labour to "third world" countries, but I would like to make two points.
1. The minimum wage in Kenya is about US$112 per month.
2. All the filth these people were being paid to filter out was generated by other human beings.
Can anybody suggest a better way to do that, other than having people go through the material and flag anything that's beyond the pale? I can't think of one.
| | | | Lingua 5B
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TOPIC STARTER | Quality of life | Apr 28, 2023 |
Do you think they have a high quality of life at $100/month? This type of work is not in a “minimum” category, perhaps street sweepers are.
One of the representatives said how they didn’t exploit them but “improved their lives” with this job. If a person has a family, $100/month won’t improve their life even in the cheapest of countries.
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Lingua 5B wrote:
Do you think they have a high quality of life at $100/month? This type of work is not in a “minimum” category, perhaps street sweepers are.
For a 35-hour week, $1.32 per hour comes to almost double that. At $2 per hour it comes to almost triple. I don't think these comparisons are valid.
So anyway, what's your alternative suggestion for filtering out the human filth from the material on the web?
| | | | Lingua 5B
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The alternative, for this type of work, is for instance $10/hr, given the GPT VC and profits.
Where did I discuss the method of working? I only discussed how they “improve lives” at $2/hr, they could have chosen some other phrase for this.
| | | | Lingua 5B
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[Edited at 2023-04-28 06:21 GMT]
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Lingua 5B wrote:
The alternative, for this type of work, is for instance $10/hr, given the GPT VC and profits.
Where did I discuss the method of working? I only discussed how they “improve lives” at $2/hr, they could have chosen some other phrase for this.
At least they haven't had to install nets around the buildings.
"Foxconn CEO, Terry Gou, had large nets installed outside many of the buildings to catch falling bodies. The company hired counsellors and workers were made to sign pledges stating they would not attempt to kill themselves."
Any iPhone users out there?
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| Something to really worry about ... | Apr 28, 2023 |
Lingua 5B wrote: The data labelers employed by Sama on behalf of OpenAI were paid a take-home wage of between around $1.32 and $2 per hour depending on seniority and performance. For this story, TIME reviewed hundreds of pages of internal Sama and OpenAI documents, including workers’ payslips, and interviewed four Sama employees who worked on the project. All the employees spoke on condition of anonymity out of concern for their livelihoods. Interesting read: https://time.com/6247678/openai-chatgpt-kenya-workers/
A linked article is even more interesting:
https://time.com/6273743/thinking-that-could-doom-us-with-ai/
Or try this one, but only if don't get scared easily:
It took more than 60 years between when the notion of Artificial Intelligence was first proposed and studied, and for us to reach today’s capabilities. Solving safety of superhuman intelligence—not perfect safety, safety in the sense of “not killing literally everyone”—could very reasonably take at least half that long. And the thing about trying this with superhuman intelligence is that if you get that wrong on the first try, you do not get to learn from your mistakes, because you are dead. Humanity does not learn from the mistake and dust itself off and try again, as in other challenges we’ve overcome in our history, because we are all gone.
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To visualize a hostile superhuman AI, don’t imagine a lifeless book-smart thinker dwelling inside the internet and sending ill-intentioned emails. Visualize an entire alien civilization, thinking at millions of times human speeds, initially confined to computers—in a world of creatures that are, from its perspective, very stupid and very slow. A sufficiently intelligent AI won’t stay confined to computers for long. In today’s world you can email DNA strings to laboratories that will produce proteins on demand, allowing an AI initially confined to the internet to build artificial life forms or bootstrap straight to postbiological molecular manufacturing.
https://time.com/6266923/ai-eliezer-yudkowsky-open-letter-not-enough/
Whether we get there at $2 or $20 (or $200) per hour is not going to make much difference once we get there. And the way it's going it won't be in the next century.
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Yeah, the reality is a bit more chilling than they make it out to be.
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