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Sep 11, 2013 13:11
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Spanish term
Protrusion disco ligamentosa
Spanish to English
Medical
Medical (general)
This is in an MRI lumbosacral scan report.
The full context is
Protrusion disco ligamentosa posterior central L3 L4.
Is this Sub-ligamentous disc protrusion?
TIA
The full context is
Protrusion disco ligamentosa posterior central L3 L4.
Is this Sub-ligamentous disc protrusion?
TIA
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | central disc prolapse |
Charles Ferguson
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| 4 | ligament disc protrusion |
Ellen Kraus
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References
| comment only |
liz askew
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Proposed translations
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Charles Ferguson
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
C J S FERGUSON
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English, French to English, Italian to English, and 1 more.
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19
central disc prolapse
Sounds quite severe if the protrusion goes as far as the posterior longitudinal ligament and would constitute a surgical emergency. Did the patient get to the "cutters"?
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Central Disc Prolapse IS the technical term. I don't think it matters whether or not the disc HITS the posterior longitudinal ligament. The important thing is entrapment neuropathy and this needs releasing ASAP. That's why I asked if the patient went to theatre (assuming you have the clinical notes as well as the imaging report).
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Central Disc Prolapse IS the technical term. I don't think it matters whether or not the disc HITS the posterior longitudinal ligament. The important thing is entrapment neuropathy and this needs releasing ASAP. That's why I asked if the patient went to theatre (assuming you have the clinical notes as well as the imaging report).
Reference:
http://www.laserspineinstitute.com/back_problems/disc_protrusion/articles/posterior_central/
Note from asker:
| Hi - thanks for your input but I think I need something a little more technical. Do you understand this as meaning that the protrusion impinges on the ligament? |
| Hi Sean, no I didn't have any other material only the NMR report. I was trying to work out why 'ligamentosa' was included. Thank you for your help anyway. Jane |
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
liz askew
: hi, I thought there was a difference between "prolapse" and "protrusion"?
3 hrs
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5 hrs
Ellen Kraus
Austria
Austria
Specializes in field
Austria
more than thirty years of experience
Native in: German 
Works in: Greek to German, English to German, Greek to English, and 5 more.
Related KudoZ points
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83
ligament disc protrusion
or Ligament disc Prolapse (see corresponding Google Pictures)
as additional alternative
as additional alternative
Note from asker:
| Hi Ellen, unfortunately although this is a direct translation, it is not used in any medical documents dealing with disc protrusion. The only possibilities I could find were either subligamentous or transligamentous protrusion. I decided on transligamentous protrusion but thank you for your help anyway. Jane |
Reference comments
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Reference:
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I am unable to find your phrase on any Spanish site.
http://www.drlox.com/medical-conditions/bulging-disk/
A ”bulging disk” means just that, it is bulging outside of its normal space between two vertebra. In doing so, the disk may push against a nerve, causing pain. Bulging disks are caused by two common problems: either the natural aging (degenerative) process or from trauma. A related condition is Cervical Disk Disease or cervical disk herniation.
During the normal aging process, wear and tear on a disk occurs, leading to a drying out of the internal gel-like nuceleus pulposis, and with it, a loss of disk height occurs. The normal separation between the vertebral bones is lost, resulting in a bulging effect. This is like losing air in a car tire and as a result, the tire bulges under the weight of the car.
*****The second common cause for a bulging disk is when the outer ring layer of ligaments becomes torn during trauma****. This can create an area where the inner nucleus can migrate outwards and, as a result, an outward bulge in the disk can be seen.
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and
www.sohrabgolloglymd.com/mri-scans-where-abnormal-findings-...
The lumbar spine is composed of 5 vertebral bodies: L1, L2, L3, L4, and L5. ... proteins that is surrounded by a tough ***ligamentous wrap called the annulus fibrosis***. ... There is broad based disk bulging at L4/5 and L5/S1 and degenerative disk ...
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broad-based protrusion: Herniation of disc material extending beyond the outer edges of the vertebral body apophyses over an area greater than 25% (90 degrees) and less than 50% (180 degrees) of the circumference of the disc. See protrusion. Note: Broad based protrusion refers only to discs in which disc material has displaced in association with localized disruption of the anulus and not to generalized (over 50% or 180 degrees) apparent extension of disc tissues beyond the edges of the apophyses. If the base is less than 25%, it is called "focal protrusion." Apparent extension of disc material, formation of additional connective tissue between osteophytes, or overlapping of non-disrupted tissue beyond the edges of the apophyses of over 50% of the circumference of the disc may be described as bulging. See: bulging disc, focal protrusion.
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Herniated Discs: Definition, Progression, and Diagnosis
www.spineuniverse.com › Conditions › Herniated Disc
7 Sep 2012 - There are four stages: (1) disc protrusion (2) prolapsed disc (3) disc extrusion (4) sequestered disc. Stages 1 and 2 are referred to as ...
http://www.drlox.com/medical-conditions/bulging-disk/
A ”bulging disk” means just that, it is bulging outside of its normal space between two vertebra. In doing so, the disk may push against a nerve, causing pain. Bulging disks are caused by two common problems: either the natural aging (degenerative) process or from trauma. A related condition is Cervical Disk Disease or cervical disk herniation.
During the normal aging process, wear and tear on a disk occurs, leading to a drying out of the internal gel-like nuceleus pulposis, and with it, a loss of disk height occurs. The normal separation between the vertebral bones is lost, resulting in a bulging effect. This is like losing air in a car tire and as a result, the tire bulges under the weight of the car.
*****The second common cause for a bulging disk is when the outer ring layer of ligaments becomes torn during trauma****. This can create an area where the inner nucleus can migrate outwards and, as a result, an outward bulge in the disk can be seen.
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Note added at 4 hrs (2013-09-11 17:56:36 GMT)
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and
www.sohrabgolloglymd.com/mri-scans-where-abnormal-findings-...
The lumbar spine is composed of 5 vertebral bodies: L1, L2, L3, L4, and L5. ... proteins that is surrounded by a tough ***ligamentous wrap called the annulus fibrosis***. ... There is broad based disk bulging at L4/5 and L5/S1 and degenerative disk ...
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Note added at 4 hrs (2013-09-11 17:59:16 GMT)
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broad-based protrusion: Herniation of disc material extending beyond the outer edges of the vertebral body apophyses over an area greater than 25% (90 degrees) and less than 50% (180 degrees) of the circumference of the disc. See protrusion. Note: Broad based protrusion refers only to discs in which disc material has displaced in association with localized disruption of the anulus and not to generalized (over 50% or 180 degrees) apparent extension of disc tissues beyond the edges of the apophyses. If the base is less than 25%, it is called "focal protrusion." Apparent extension of disc material, formation of additional connective tissue between osteophytes, or overlapping of non-disrupted tissue beyond the edges of the apophyses of over 50% of the circumference of the disc may be described as bulging. See: bulging disc, focal protrusion.
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Note added at 5 hrs (2013-09-11 18:39:10 GMT)
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Herniated Discs: Definition, Progression, and Diagnosis
www.spineuniverse.com › Conditions › Herniated Disc
7 Sep 2012 - There are four stages: (1) disc protrusion (2) prolapsed disc (3) disc extrusion (4) sequestered disc. Stages 1 and 2 are referred to as ...
Note from asker:
| Thank you Liz, these reference are really interesting. I too couldn't find this anywhere else and have learned a lot about disc protrusions. I had to hand it in so went with transligamentous protrusion which I suspect is correct. |
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